An ideal place for animal versus animal comparison. Unless this Russian study mentioned previously takes into account the circumstances of these tiger/bear encounters, its findings are moot. If if gives a gate for the event, you can check the local newspaper archive & yet further cat musculoskeletal capability advantage over bears.. ” …in felids, both the wrist & elbow joints exhibited a large degree Strength: AP, Can American black bear kill cougars? Too funny.. do you really imagine that bulk bear-fat is some kind of armour? A tiger has long claws, but cannot climb trees as well as other big cats, giving it a disadvantage against an ursine. Well I just saw a video a fight between a YOUNG Grizzly and a tiger and I just saw the bear fights back and wins the battle. implodes.. like oldtimey clockwork.. he swiping power and its hide is to thick to penetrate it even take a few rounds from a ten gag to take a grizzly so grizzly would win, I don’t know about the Intelligence one what you said nether with the bear has defeated the Tiger more in think its the other way arounf. James I seriously hope ur trolling with all of these incorrect facts that you rattle off. & are way below the capabilities of cats.. for real athletic prowess.. Was having your.. Fact is, some tigers do hunt bears, despite being naturally risk-averse. The lion gave up on frontal assaults and tried to attack the bear from the rear. i luv you jamez w. we go to the hell and have the sex. you`re such a dumb-as “moron”.. Apey.. Think about it. but their prey has to be weak. Do you know why? In Africa, lions have learned to use paved roads to help getting Dead cat. the bear has a bigger hit point then a tiger so he could smash a tigers rib cage in one swip and fight is over, I think if he grabs the Tigers tail and swings it round and into a tree will be the end of the tiger! No…you don’t know the muscular system of cats Nah, I’d rather be with bear. Examine the anatomy of the bear carefully, and you will know what I am talking about (granted that your “arrogance” does not get the better of you… LOL). The useless drivel that he is constantly spouting out is sheer bias. Seems like a very biased article with no real facts from actual encounters. Later on, Haughton also mentioned that “five men can easily hold down a lion but it requires nine men to control a tiger. Gary/Patrick, Pure fiction there – without a fact check H…. When the two engage the hind legs with their long claws would seriously damage the torso of the bear. 3. can choose to attack, or evade the bear – as it wishes, while the fat, lumbering bruin cannot.. A real beastly prime-killer Russian tiger, who has developed a learned preference for bear-meat ( as some are scientifically noted to do) will utterly shock an American grizzly.. ( since he’s only accustomed to contending with anything near as big – tooth & claw-wise – being his own kind, not a tiger ). I’m not saying a Grizzly bear won’t win, but actually do some research. The Polar Bear may not have the best odds before such a deadly opponent. & like your troll-buddy rob, you avoid it, even when its in your face.. National geographic is not an ‘entertainment show.’ They film animals all over the world. 2. & within the same paw, simultaneously.. James W, Are you planning on doing some new animal comparisons? the incredible athletic prowess of big cats, (inc’ lion). We should stop responding to Lames’s comments. Bear is far superior in terms of strength, power and size it could outmatch any big cat. is so utterly devoid of.. shame, or.. I won’t say that the tiger has very high rates. yeah right.. as if.. scientific evaluation of “fat” as “protection”.. Do you, even in your most lurid dream of superstitions.. Siberian tigers aren’t as cunning as Bengal tigers, but a tiger is a tiger after all. Why is the tiger more agile is that it has more muscles. recent evolutionary killer attributes of a big cat, so yeah, just wind up the key, & watch him go! No, I am afraid that you are “wrong again…”, “Tigers have a vast range of skilled options to employ when confronting many different animals..”, In a hunt, tigers will use a variety of skills indeed, but like most big cats (except the jaguar) they will first go for the neck. Conclusion: Both animals have their own strengths and weakness’s, and which ever animal plays by their strength and exploits the opponents weaknesses, will ultimately emerge victorious. But it would still be a fair fight. It appears in a yellow or reddish skin with dark and narrow brown stripes widely separated. Both are strong and vicious animals, I don’t think a fight between two creatures who are that deadly would ever be a foregone conclusion, but generally the fight will go to the larger animal. Anything else doesn’t make sense. really really.. nasty.. The bear has the strength advantage, while the tiger has the speed and agility advantage. My point here being that comparing Asiatic bears who encounter tigers to what may happen if a grizzly faced a tiger completely ignores the animals temperament. What do Siberian tiger look like? Indeed, the tiger is a far better killer than the bear. due to the % of its fibre-types – as the research (which I linked) shows.. James W, & as for stamina.. didn’t you yourself post that vid of the poor old 1/2 dead lion Your fan-boy ‘fave’ raving is stinking up the thread.. L.O.L…. Male tigers have the strength to throw large bins to – they can’t because it is anatomically impossible for them. Obviously, a guy who is 40% fat will have no advantage in combat against a guy who is 60 – 70% muscle. A fully grown male/female tiger can kill a sloth bear with one paw swipe. If you watch a video of Joe Rohan who is one of the all time best UFC fighters in all time has a video of him talking about how crazy bears are and how incredibly skilled they are at fighting they use judo throws and wrestling moves like having inside control over its opponent. bear skin is torn off in huge patches so easily, even by blunt bear claws, during their scuffles, A full grown elephant is impossible for a tiger to kill. If a grizzly and a kamcharka bear mated they would have a perfectly healthy reproducing brown bear. Also I watch a documentary and siberians do hunt brown bear. One swipe on a tiger crilushes the skull. From “The Oregon trail”, Federal Writers’ Project, 1939. Also their territory doesn’t overlap with Siberian tigers which makes your point moot. You sound like my brother with aspergers who will tell you the “facts” about anything. too funny.. Tigers kill for the majority of their meal’s, a Grizzly bear does not, it’s an omnivore, it forages for fruits, nuts and roots, alongside hunting. Nah, doubt it.. pound wild jaguar specimen’s claws.. (& FYI, its lion>tiger>grizzly>polar). That doesn’t really mean much that they fight to the death. The tiger has the strength to hold on and deliver a fatal bite to the back of the neck Even if it take multiple attempts to sever the spinal column, the bear will find it hard to dislodge the tiger and pretty much be helpless. Good article, except for a silly mistake when you refer to “large wild life centuries”. Power doesn’t mean just muscular strength. They have developed into huge and enormously powerful animals. I have also posted real wildlife video of male lions hunting.. all the way to hell.. Honestly, both pantherines are pretty much equal when it boils down to evolutionary adaptations – but if you examine the anatomy of both cats, you will realize that the tiger has a slight edge. because of global warming. .. just check the subject at All Empires history forum, for an excellent literature review.. Bears do even worse, being killed by mules & the like.. let alone prime lions.. Siberian Tigers have been documented hunting large prey animals, but rarely do so at risk to themselves. grizzly bears are becoming more and more herbivorous & dirt-scratching, dumpster-dving, fat-as bumbling-bully, bears – are not. for the kids.. James no haven’t you ever realize that when movie producers get there hands on “true story’s” they make them like a completely different story because people nowadays are not used to blood and gore I’ve had a vegan start crying when I bit into a burger once it’s just most people cannot take blood and gore in the real world anymore that’s why they do it in the movies so they know how that nothing is hurt. Do you know what I mean ? Your “vegan cried” story – is just total bullshit.. on every account you are wrong though. It’s well known that omnivores are often substantially smarter than more specialized feeders. As I’ve said bears live closer together and there are much more videos of bears fighting than tigers. They are also in the status of endangered species as declared by IUCN. The tail doesn’t count when factoring a Tigers’ length, it’s nose to ass. & yes, bears do certainly get weaker after hibernation. Also, that quiz was from National Geographic, which is the best site, no other site is as accurate as it, because they actually film the animals and have discovered that tigers are bigger than lions. Grizzlies do hibernate and they are physically weak after hibernation and that’s where tigers may have an upper hand. Though, in actuality you did not (unless you consider assigning arbitrary numbers to made up stats facts). Also, the grizzly is more capable in a face-to-face encounter. yes yes yes Also the article mentions Grizzlies hunt moose–do you realize how big a moose is? The Californians of the late 19th century staged well-documented pit fights with grizzlies and spanish bulls. Bear fat is only there to keep ’em alive over winter, On his comparison with the bear and lion he had the bears intelligence at 5 while the the lions was four, but with the tiger vs bear it was at 4 and the tigers at 5 so…. But, I respect your opinion, and I do agree that it would be a close fight. Also, grizzly vs lion with same results; except once and only once has it been recorded that a lion killed a grizzly – and that was within a tight enclosure where the lion suddenly and unexpectedly grabbed the bear by the throat – an ambush. The tiger is faster, more agile, and has sharper teeth and claws. Speaking of durability, the bear also has denser bones. Considering these facts, a Grizzly Bear victory is the only reasonable outcome. In every recorded fight between a tiger and a grizzly, the bear defeated the big cat. In Russia, Siberian tiger alone once killed a pack of 3 wolves at a time which I think grizzly can’t do. Then you have to remember that bears are the biggest land predators so for them being 600+ pounds and still running like a mad man for hours is definitely a plus to a bear. by fighting, but when attacked by a big cat with true killer intent, must do, or die.. By contrast, pride boss lions do habitually seek out any & all opposition to their dominance, It can also maneuver around easily and latch itself on the bear’s neck and one bite is enough for the tiger to have a good meal. 1. There are references! If a grizzly is romping through the taiga foraging for acorns or flipping boulders for fat little moths, it’s not going to notice the tiger downwind, pouncing on its back. I have answered only after going through HEAPS of websites. Their fat I imagine would actually become armor of sorts in a fight. Facts rob? Yappy.. Contrary to popular, belief big cats have decent stamina. Both probably die – tiger likely gores bear first in belly and back;?who despite bleeding headlocks tiger and the then punches tiger silly. the tiger stomps all over the fat-as garbage-guts grizzly, & the Paki-taleban.. Of course – I never said that they can stand up properly. but didn`t like what they showed.. `cause they rub your stupid-as nose.. carrion-bad.. like he’s rotten.. I agree with Garcia. What have you provided, Lames W? Too funny.. what an egotistical buffoon.. Haha anyone who thinks a tiger could kill a 1200 pound grizzly which isn’t even as big as some get are crazy. However, if you look at the bear’s anatomy close enough, in the link I provided, you will notice that all the bear’s bones and organs are deeply engrained inside it’s fur – the tiger is going to have a hell of a time trying to dig it’s claws that deep ( it is entirely possible, as I stated, but difficult). Grizzlies have both chased and been chased by packs open moves for more than two days at a time. (which he is.. & on every level). A bear’s claws can be 2, or even 3 times longer than a tiger’s, the bear’s claws are non-retractible, thus, they are blunt with constant contact with the ground, unlike a tiger’s. 2. Hey guys! deals out to leopards, who must run, or die.. defeating big, powerful, fight-adept, fully maned male lions.. AKA/Troll.. Apey, Fish-flipping fat-as, is goin’ down.. if the tiger is a true mad-as killer-cat.. James W, Wait, I forgot… bullshit. tigers are strongest predators living on this planet though polar bears are biggest predator the king of beasts has no opposition on the land they can take down any animal on land and inland water bodies crocs elephants and even polar bears are included in this as the lord king emperor of beasts not only kill to eat it tolerates nothing moving if seen truly dominater born to do that most valuable animal on this planet for it’s body except english rest of the world (old world) believe tiger as king none need give it title as god himself written the word king on it’s fore head, A polar bear lol you truly love tigers a baby polar bear yeah a full grown one no way but anything can happen. LOL I’m surprised James didn’t showed up in this thread, showering peoples with his ridiculously stupid comments. season of bear hunting, them tough tawny thugs would just wreak havoc.. & the male lion’s proudly sported lush mane, are seen as much more Kingly Sometimes, when the ice melts, polar bears have been known to be driven off by grizzlies, when they move south into the grizzlies feeding area. is `bout all.. you can post.. I don’t think a big cat could survive that. The tiger actually saw and immediatley approached the bear, looking for a brawl. That puts them in the upper percentile of higher primates. Through this inference, we can draw some conclusions. David, they are the same bear. The lion has a mane which protects it’s neck in combat, while the tiger is more robustly built in the forequarters and hindquarters (stronger hindquarters – one of the main reasons why it is easier for tigers to stand on their hind legs, which can really help in combat). 🙂. but.. if an apparently attributed post – is ‘bear-grade’ garbage, personality is much more variable.. By contrast, a boss lion is on principle, invariably keen to demonstrate the advantage, logically.. must be with the Grizzly bear is an dangerous adversary even for a male Tiger. Basically, the two animals are bloodlusted. Ehh, hate to butt in, but a grizzly is a bit more of a killer than the tiger, if not the same amount. The grizzly stood up and held off the lions teeth with its paws, but it allowed the lion to rip its claws deep into the bear’s underbelly. I doubt the bear would “hunt” a tiger as it likes easier meals. Because, Nobody can change the real history . going after the grubs under boulders.. Just admit it. Anyways, that’s the best I’ve got for this debate, please tear me apart at your leisure. This is fact.. Aka/T, You are right, Tyson in his prime was lean and muscular. all over your poxy dumb-as dalit.. face.. These two animals don't coexist. and these bears can run up to 35 miles an hour. It says that before poaching and habitat destruction, Bengal tigers used to grow OVER 900 pounds – almost twice the size of an African lion! Namely that the battle here discussed is a highly circumstantial one. You’d do well to watch the remarkable Tippi Hedren movie, ‘ROAR!’ to I do spit on your trash, since it is such bear-grade stuff.. The tiger’s canines are much longer and thicker than a bear’s – the bear might have heavier pressure jaws, but the tiger’s jaw/teeth structure gives it a more devastating bite. Tigers do tend to fight to the death where bears typically won’t because they mainly fight to show dominance or little things like food that’s why tigers die during fights more than bears. Both grizzly bear and Siberian tiger paw swipes are equally powerful but tiger is more technical than grizzly. ..where is it sourced from? ..just as bears prefer garbage, so rob likes to emulate his ‘fave’, with garbage, too.. AKA/Troll.. Bear kills tiger, then eats it and then hibernates…, That is so true a bear would destroy a tiger. See the hump on a Grizzly’s back. ( FYI rob, this scenario was also repeated, over centuries, BUT, lions and tigers are ~60% skeletal muscle whereas bears are ~27.5% skeletal muscle. just think about it. The big hump on the grizzlies back is a mass of muscle giving the brown bear the strongest front limbs of any animal in the world.” Seems likely, you maybe have mental development deficiencies, like rob, huh kid.. Tiger hunts bear, its a natural fact.. but tiger cannot compete in lion country.. confirm the general physical superiority of big cats over bears, in combat, In a study by the Russian government the bear was killed 2 out of three times in encounters with tigers,Brown bears that is. Now don’t get me wrong. he tested the claims of lion superiority.. against tiger & bear.. Nature does not give things without reason. Siberian Tiger is far better hunter than North American grizzly bear. There have been pit fights in 1800s USA when imported lions AND tigers were used for fighting brown bears. you`ve been busted, as a lying fraud.. once again.. Post Oct 11, 2019 #1 2019-10-11T14:56. The “primitive” bear claws easily rip through any hide with the power of a bear swipe. dominating lesser jags, & both cats are on the record as bear-killers.. Stop your childish crap, kid – try to learn some actual facts – instead Yeah, I know. Do any of you know just how large a full grown moose is? And what tiger would ever try significantly risk his life? If it was a Kodiak bear though, it could go either way, but the bear would most likely emerge victorious because it would have more fur and fat to protect it from the tiger’s claws, and it would be much heavier and stronger than the Grizzly – making it difficult for the tiger to wrestle to the ground and go for a neck bite. at the University of Malaga, Spain.. concerning.. next time.. Where did you source your information from? Jeeze… Did I say that fat is muscle?! Hey kid.. However grizzlies on the coast are larger than grizzlies inland, so a coastal grizzly will defeat a tiger. a big cat will intimidate them – if they catch a whiff of his scent, Siberian tiger is the ultimate predator, whereas grizzly bear sucks at hunting. If he does not make one, we can always have the debate here. Funnily enough, most people find tigers far more majestic and cooler than lions. The fat protects them from the cat’s swipes and bites…. 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